Session Start: Mon Apr 11 20:35:18 2011
Session Ident: Silas

[20:35] <PrometheanStardust> Hi
[20:35] <Silas> Hey
[20:35] <Silas> What's going on.
[20:35] <Silas> With astor and you guys?
[20:36] <PrometheanStardust> Just trying to join #melbourne,  I knew astor back in the Scientology raid days, but apparently he doesn't want to see me now?!?
[20:36] <Silas> Yes - he's just banned a whole lot of dudes, mad with power.
[20:36] <PrometheanStardust> Really?  Why'd he ban them??
[20:36] <Silas> He won't say.
[20:37] <Silas> Now everyone's really pissed at him for being a control freak.
[20:38] <PrometheanStardust> This is interesting.
[20:38] <Silas> You trying to get involved with #melbourne or just trying to troll astor? I'd support both.
[20:38] <PrometheanStardust> Both, really.
[20:38] <Silas> Awesome.
[20:38] <PrometheanStardust> Astor has a long history of retardation like this, at one point, he turned a whole channel of people against him, although in that case he wasn't op, so he had them all on ignore.
[20:38] <Silas>  /b/ro fist
[20:38] <PrometheanStardust> lulz
[20:39] <PrometheanStardust> Is he the founder of #melbourne ?
[20:39] <Silas> Yes, but we're thinking about moving all our activities to another channel to get away from him.
[20:39] <Silas> He's a fucking social pariah.
[20:40] <PrometheanStardust> LOL
[20:40] <PrometheanStardust> What does he do specifically to rub you guys the wrong way?
[20:40] <PrometheanStardust> What's he like in real life?
[20:40] <Silas> He's shown up at all the meets, he's socially inappropriate, he questions you when you try to make conversation,
[20:40] <Silas> Hmm.
[20:41] <PrometheanStardust> Has he ever been caught lying about having a girlfriend?
[20:41] <Silas> Nah - he's pretty open about being foreveralone.jpg
[20:41] <Silas> but he gets a crush on every girl in the group as they join, then creeps them out, then acts inappropriate.
[20:42] <PrometheanStardust> LOL, that's the Astor we all love and know.
[20:42] <PrometheanStardust> Do you have photos of any of the meetups?
[20:42] <Silas> No, I mean there are photos around, but I've never taken any.
[20:42] <PrometheanStardust> Ah ok, damn I need to get hold of some.
[20:43] <Silas> What can you tell me about his background, and your motivation.
[20:43] <Silas> He's really closed - we're all willing to talk about ourselves, when we ask him about himself he says nothing and gets suspicious of our motives.
[20:43] <Silas> And control freak to the max.
[20:44] <PrometheanStardust> We have a long history ... I once went to meet up with him, went to a lot of trouble of going to the outer suburbs by train, and he ran off before meeting me
[20:44] <Silas> What's your ASL?
[20:44] <Silas> 22/m/elwood here.
[20:44] <PrometheanStardust> 25 M Hawthorn.
[20:45] <Silas> ok - so you're about the same age as him. did you go to the same school or somehting
[20:45] <PrometheanStardust> No, I've only known him online.
[20:45] <Silas> ok
[20:45] <PrometheanStardust> How does he creep the girls out?
[20:45] <Silas> Says inappropriate things, takes photos of them... like... inappropriately.
[20:46] <PrometheanStardust> lol
[20:46] <Silas> OK so the one he "likes" turns up - he just points his camera at her and starts taking like... 50 pictures, and we hadn't seen the camera at all until she showed up.
[20:47] <PrometheanStardust> rofl, this is classic.
[20:47] <Silas> We were doing our best to keep the fact that she was having sex with another guy in the group a secret from him - because we thought he might an hero or something,
[20:47] <Silas> and it wasn't really our business to tell him
[20:48] <Silas> anyway - he learned about it, so he layed on the couch and excluded himself from the rest of the party (a big party) by putting a blanket over his head and just lying there for like two hours.
[20:49] <PrometheanStardust> LOOL
[20:49] <Silas> Why are you so interested in him btw?
[20:49] <PrometheanStardust> He has a long history of this sort of thing, I've only seen the 'online' variant of this behaviour, but he has a talent for turning everyone against him
[20:49] <Silas> Tell me more:/
[20:50] <PrometheanStardust> Just because he's an "old friend", he contacted me tonight asking for info on how to "stalk" someone by getting that persons IP address
[20:50] <PrometheanStardust> He said something about somebody trying to overthrow the channel he was on
[20:50] <Silas> Basically - he's pretty much turning anyone who trys to be friendly to him into hating him.
[20:50] <PrometheanStardust> How long have you guys known him?
[20:51] <Silas> Well the group has been meeting for about 6 weeks I guess, but I have only been involved for the last 3-4.
[20:51] <Silas> 99% of the drama in the group is caused directly by him.
[20:51] <PrometheanStardust> lol
[20:51] <PrometheanStardust> Do you have IRC logs I could look through?  
[20:52] <PrometheanStardust> Do you have any idea why he'd want to track somebody down with their IP address?
[20:52] <Silas> Well - no.
[20:52] <Silas> But could be any reason.
[20:53] <PrometheanStardust> <Astor> I wanted to check on my old peeps [20:52] <Astor> and get some gangstalking skills
[20:53] <Silas> I'm pretty sure we'd all like to move him on as the founder of #melbourne
[20:53] <Silas> I just don't think he's stable enough to responsibly manage a channel in the best interests of us, the membership
[20:53] <PrometheanStardust> I'd be happy to assist with that.
[20:53] <PrometheanStardust> No, he really isn't.  He'
[20:54] <Silas> What can you do to help?
[20:54] <PrometheanStardust> He's left a trail of broken online communities behind him.
[20:54] <Silas> I see.
[20:54] <Silas> How broken - and which communities?
[20:55] <PrometheanStardust> Various anon-related groups that have started up over the years, many had IRC channels
[20:55] <PrometheanStardust> Age-wise, he's a bit older than most anons
[20:55] <Silas> Yeah - well most of us are between 18-20
[20:56] <Silas> I'm a bit older at 22
[20:56] <PrometheanStardust> and you think he's about 25?
[20:56] <Silas> but i'm a relative newfag
[20:56] <Silas> He says that he is 25.
[20:56] <PrometheanStardust> How many people do you get at your meetups?
[20:56] <Silas> There were 15 people at our party on Saturday night.
[20:56] <PrometheanStardust> and all 15 have a problem with him?
[20:56] <Silas> No.
[20:57] <Silas> We all consider him to be a bit of a party-mood-kill.
[20:57] <Silas> But there are only 5 or 6 of us who find him toxic.
[20:58] <Silas> The others are all "give him a chance, give him time"
[20:58] <PrometheanStardust> lol, they will learn too
[20:58] <Silas> But they know something is not right.
[20:58] <PrometheanStardust> I believe he has a severe case of Aspbergers
[20:58] <PrometheanStardust> Does he ever talk about trains?
[20:58] <Silas> Well - I used to think he just needed some more social skills or different outlook - but his stalkerish creepypasta behavior this weekend have changed my mind, 
[20:59] <Silas> Trains?
[20:59] <Silas> Well - he did mention to me something about "railpages" or something once, but only in passing.
[20:59] <PrometheanStardust> He used to be OBSESSED with the train network
[20:59] <PrometheanStardust> Ever talk about Orson Welles?
[21:00] <PrometheanStardust> He has a handful of topics that he's absolutely obsessed with.
[21:00] <Silas> He know's all the stations and lines and stuff, 
[21:00] <Silas> Orson Welles? the actor?
[21:00] <PrometheanStardust> Yeah
[21:00] <PrometheanStardust> If you mention that to him, he can speak for hours and hours on him.
[21:00] <Silas> Hmm I can't say he's ever mentioned him- but he's somehow involved in the astor theatre - he calls himself Marzipan Astor - after the cat at the theatre.
[21:03] <Silas> Yeah - look - I don't want him out really, I just don't really want to see a whole lot of good people not wanting to be involved because he is. Already some people are flat out refusing to go to things he's going to.
[21:04] <PrometheanStardust> I know you don't want to hurt his feelings (you have yet to learn that he has none), but he will indeed destroy everything.
[21:04] <Silas> When you say he has no feelings what do you mean?
[21:05] <Silas> He seems to have plenty of feelings to me, but they're all negative.
[21:05] <PrometheanStardust> You might be the person he's planning on destroying
[21:05] <PrometheanStardust> How do you know he has negative feelings towards you?
[21:06] <Silas> No - not negative "towards me" it is just my opinion that he does have feelings.
[21:06] <Silas> and that he's very hurt, but like a very hurt leg, sometimes the best thing is to cut it off.
[21:07] <PrometheanStardust> Look, it's not like people haven't tried reaching him before, I've spent a lot of time and energy trying to get him to open up, to explain how to act properly in social situations, but the thing is he uses his unsociability to control people
[21:07] <Silas> Fuck - you just hit the nail on the head.
[21:08] <PrometheanStardust> So he's the owner of #melbourne?  No ops above him?
[21:08] <Silas> I'm 99% sure that's the case.
[21:08] <PrometheanStardust> That's a problem.
[21:08] <Silas> Additional info: most of the other OPs have no respect for him and no patience anymore.
[21:08] <PrometheanStardust> Usually he'll just "ignore" people to control them, but whenever he's got any power like that, he'll turn anyone new away.
[21:09] <Silas> Yes - well we just saw him ban three different nicks that logged in tonight cause he thought they might be you.
[21:09] <Silas> brb 2 mins
[21:09] <PrometheanStardust> k
[21:11] <Silas> bakc
[21:12] <Silas> So what do you know about D-Yoshii
[21:12] <Silas> everyone seems to know him - you must.
[21:12] <Silas> I went to high school with him - but haven't really seen him since.
[21:12] <PrometheanStardust> I don't know D-Yoshii, sorry.
[21:13] <PrometheanStardust> Is he related to Astor?
[21:13] <Silas> Ok - cause given the chance I would nominate him for ownership of the channel.
[21:13] <PrometheanStardust> Ah
[21:13] <Silas> No - not at all.
[21:14] <Silas> Thing about our group - there is NO power struggle at all - Astor must be hallucinating that there is one. but that said - I don't feel entirely comfortable leaving the management of #melbourne in his hands.
[21:15] <PrometheanStardust> Where there is no problem, he'll make one up in his head.  I don't know how many times I've seen somebody simply disagree with him about a topic in conversation, where he'll suddenly express paranoid sentiments that the person is out to get him
[21:16] <Silas> Yes - this seems to happen on a minor scale here too.
[21:16] <Silas> How do you go about registering a room on rizon?
[21:16] <PrometheanStardust> The best thing is for me to troll him a little, if I can get some stuff like photos of the meetups with him in them, I can taunt him with them ... basically get him to renounce his ownership of the chan
[21:17] <PrometheanStardust> He's quite troll-hardened, don't worry, he won't neck himself.
[21:18] <Silas> Yeah - I think we should just have a conversation in the group about all this (without him) and then take a vote and just use a new room - where he would be welcome, but not in charge of silencing or opressing other people
[21:18] <PrometheanStardust> That's a good idea
[21:19] <Silas> We've already moved a lot of our planning and events etc to facebook
[21:19] <Silas> (which I must say astor had such a staunch opposition to) - which now makes some sense.
[21:20] <PrometheanStardust> Is the Facebook group public?  Do you mind sharing it with me?
[21:20] <Silas> It is private.
[21:20] <PrometheanStardust> ah ok, no problem.
[21:20] <Silas> I would have to add you for you to see it, and that would blow your cover.
[21:21] <PrometheanStardust> Could you add my account if I use a fake one?
[21:21] <Silas> Yeah I guess - though there's not really much to see in there
[21:22] <PrometheanStardust> Is he a member?
[21:22] <Silas> Yes.
[21:22] <PrometheanStardust> Cool, yeah I've got a fake account, do you mind giving me the link for the group and I'll request a join?
[21:25] <PrometheanStardust> Oh, I've found it
[21:25] <Silas> oh cool
[21:25] <Silas> sorry - was writing a text to someone before i went to get a link for you
[21:26] <PrometheanStardust> np
[21:26] <PrometheanStardust> Ah don't worry about adding me
[21:26] <PrometheanStardust> I can see most of it
[21:26] <Silas> cool
[21:28] <PrometheanStardust> Which girl was he taking the photos of?
[21:29] <Silas> I'm not so sure I want to say, she knows who she is and she'll get a copy of this transcript.
[21:29] <PrometheanStardust> ok
[21:29] <Silas> Oh and if you really want I'll send you some transcripts of #melbourne
[21:29] <PrometheanStardust> Oh yes please!
[21:29] <Silas> Its not a complete set, by any means, but should make for some interesting reading.
[21:31] <Silas> Hey - I'm going to ask 1 or 2 people to join our convo in the room #a57or
[21:31] <PrometheanStardust> ok
Session Close: Mon Apr 11 22:16:59 2011

Session Start: Mon Apr 11 21:31:52 2011
Session Ident: #a57or
[21:31] * Now talking in #a57or
[21:32] <@Silas> Just give the others a minute to join I guess.
[21:32] <PrometheanStardust> k
[21:32] * marty (cgiirc@Rizon-DCF78EF0.static.tpgi.com.au) has joined #a57or
[21:33] <marty> what up
[21:33] <@Silas> Hey Marty
[21:33] <PrometheanStardust> Hi marty
[21:33] <marty> hey
[21:33] <@Silas> Promethean was just telling me about some other online communities that astor has ruined through his
[21:33] <marty> so what's the deal here?
[21:33] <@Silas> "controlling" social behavior.
[21:34] <@Silas> I'm just going to email liffy a transcript of the other chat
[21:34] <@Silas> one tick.
[21:34] <marty> kk
[21:34] <@Silas> Apparently astor has been looking for a way to stalk someone based on their IP address - and he's worried about a "coup" of the melbourne room.
[21:34] <PrometheanStardust> Yes, Astor has a history of ruining online groups, including ruining a bookclub I ran TWICE.
[21:35] <marty> she's got her phone
[21:35] <PrometheanStardust> Yes, though I don't think there's any danger, he seems to think that he can "stalk" people using their IP address.
[21:35] <PrometheanStardust> He was trying to find the local exchange of someone in #melbourne
[21:36] <@Silas> Sent -
[21:36] <marty> she got it
[21:36] <marty> dude that's fucked
[21:36] <@Silas> So what kind of behavior did you see with the bookclubs promethan
[21:37] <marty> he really reacted bad with that whole jess-ivan thing
[21:37] <@Silas> liffy - do you want to maybe invite jess and ivan here?
[21:38] <PrometheanStardust> Silas, the bookclub thing was actuall rather subtle ... whenever anyone would pick a book, he'd bitch about the choice, and refuse to read, and he'd try to get others to read his thing instead ... and when he would select books, he'd select books that nobody else wanted to read, as if he was trying to punish them all
[21:38] <marty> she says not just
[21:38] <PrometheanStardust> Eventually everyone left because of him ... then it got restarted ... then we stupidly let him join again ... and he ruined it a second time
[21:38] <@Silas> It just seems that there would no dramas in our group at all if he stopped causing them.
[21:38] <@Silas> but yes, that behavior seems pretty "astor" like to me.
[21:38] <marty> exactly
[21:39] <@Silas> Sort of like his opposition to having a picnic
[21:39] * Tigger_ (~Tigger_X@Rizon-A7DBA787.dyn.iinet.net.au) has joined #a57or
[21:39] <Tigger_> heh
[21:39] <@Silas> (promethean - marty is actually speaking for two people)
[21:39] <PrometheanStardust> Hi Tigger_
[21:40] <PrometheanStardust> Oh, ok Silas.
[21:40] <@Silas> Himself and Liffeh who is at his house.
[21:40] <PrometheanStardust> What did he do with the Picnic?
[21:40] <@Silas> He just pulled every possible excuse not to have one, the whinged about it non-stop,
[21:40] <Tigger_> this is quite interesting
[21:40] <PrometheanStardust> Silas, yep, he'll ruin everything that way.
[21:41] <Tigger_> me and PrometheanStardust are old associates of lamont's, known him since 2005
[21:41] <@Silas> well - it wasn't ruined - but i can see how people who hadn't met the rest of us would not want to come based on his behavior.
[21:41] <Tigger_> why didn't he like picnics?
[21:41] <@Silas> *shrugs* I have no idea
[21:42] <@Silas> his reasoning was that the weather would be shit. there would be no organisation.
[21:42] <@Silas> but i really think he was just pissed because someone else was "in control" of what we were planning, not him.
[21:42] <Tigger_> you are relating your war stories of lamont's passive-aggressive resistance to good plans?
[21:42] <@Silas> We needed something that would be low cost - and give us more of a chance to have a conversation.
[21:42] <@Silas> Yes.
[21:43] <Tigger_> or 'astor', as I should say
[21:43] <@Silas> and now - I see you guys come into the room - introduce yourselfs and then Bang... 3 instant bans.
[21:44] <PrometheanStardust> Silas, there have been times in the past where in a channel of 20 people, LamontCranston had EVERY SINGLE PERSON on his ignore list, and he would just sit there talking to himself.
[21:44] <Tigger_> lol
[21:45] <Tigger_> I'm interested to hear about this story about a girl he had a crush on, and taking photos of her?
[21:45] <@Silas> I was saying to promethean before that there isn't a power struggle in our group - we all get along really well. lamont/astor seems to have manufactured this in his own head
[21:46] <Tigger_> yeah he always thinks there is a huge conspiracy against him
[21:46] <@Silas> that said  after seeing the way he reacted tonight i'm not entirely comfortable with not doing something.
[21:47] <Tigger_> until he wills the conspiracy into existence by getting so many people offside
[21:47] <@Silas> Yes - which is what seems to be happening now.
[21:47] <marty> so what's the deal with the instabans before?
[21:47] <Tigger_> lamont vanished from our channel 3 months ago, and then turns up out of the blue tonight
[21:48] <@Silas> Really?
[21:48] <Tigger_> by the clues he left, we were able to trace him back to here, so we did
[21:48] * Liffeh (cgiirc@Rizon-DCF78EF0.static.tpgi.com.au) has joined #a57or
[21:48] <@Silas> And when they showed up to see what it was all about BANG instaban all three of them.
[21:48] <Tigger_> yes, he came back because he wanted technical know-how on how to attack someone using their IP
[21:48] <@Silas> And then I was like (Hey hey - we don't do the ban thing unless someone is flooding the room)
[21:49] <Liffeh> Hey fellas
[21:49] <@Silas> and then other's were like "yeah not so comfortable with the banning"
[21:50] <Liffeh> Fill me in from what I've missed. I'm ready for some raging.
[21:50] <Tigger_> yeah, I gave astor/lamont ops once years back, and he went on a banning frenzy, so I removed them again
[21:50] <Tigger_> he was an op for an entire 2 hours
[21:50] <Liffeh> He's never done anything that dramatic yet.
[21:51] <Liffeh> But I'm surprised I never got banned.
[21:51] <PrometheanStardust> He once tried to set up a channel parallel to our own, trying to convince everyone to move from the main channel into the one that he owned ... though that didn't go very well for him, he mostly sat in there alone until he realised nobody was interested
[21:51] <Liffeh> Silas knows my history with him.
[21:51] <@Silas> Yes, well the good thing about our groups as opposed to theirs is that we all know each other in person now.
[21:51] <@Silas> Except we really know nothing about astor as he never talks
[21:52] <PrometheanStardust> Odd that he never talks.  Just he just sit alone?
[21:52] <@Silas> and when ivan and I were asking him about his life the other day he got really defensive and wouldn't talk.
[21:52] <Liffeh> He tries to sit with everyone but doesn't say anything.
[21:52] <PrometheanStardust> He's been caught lying about his personal life to us, before, telling stories of a girlfriend that we discovered wasn't real.
[21:52] <@Silas> Liffeh - you might have to tell them about the inappropriate  towards girls.
[21:53] <Liffeh> Oh lawdy.
[21:53] <@Silas> you and the corset - and hawthorn, and jess etc
[21:53] <Liffeh> Well, it started with the first night I met him.
[21:53] <@Silas> I don't really know the whole story.
[21:53] <Liffeh> I had a photoshoot the next day for a lady who makes corsets, so I had them upstairs.
[21:54] <Tigger_> have you got a photo of lamont?
[21:54] <marty> we've got plenty
[21:54] <Liffeh> Ivan and Hawthorn asked me to put them on so I did.
[21:54] <Tigger_> oh wow!  let's see!
[21:54] <Liffeh> Astor sat there with his camera pointed at me and took photos of me for a good 15-20min
[21:55] <Tigger_> without asking?
[21:55] <Liffeh> I have never felt so uncomfortable
[21:55] <Liffeh> Yep.
[21:55] <Tigger_> so bizarre
[21:55] <Liffeh> So scary.
[21:55] <PrometheanStardust> I wonder what he did to those photos he took
[21:55] <PrometheanStardust> that he took*
[21:55] <@Silas> Ewww. lol
[21:56] <Tigger_> astor/lamont has told us long and involved stories about his girlfriends, he even logged on pretending to be her, and had a conversation with me
[21:56] <Liffeh> Then on irc, we were talking about that night, and he pipes up "yeah, that corset was really sexy.
[21:56] <PrometheanStardust> haha that's right!
[21:56] <Liffeh> It was really creepy.
[21:56] <Tigger_> and gave me a fake photo of her, that he just got off the net somewhere
[21:57] <Liffeh> He's done a bunch of inappropriate stuff towards me.
[21:57] <Liffeh> I've told him off for each time.
[21:57] <Tigger_> yeah?  what sort of stuff?
[21:58] <@Silas> At first I was trying to kind of "tell him off" so that maybe he wouldn't act like such a retard, but the dude is really smart... there's a logic and a tactic behind his social oddities and I believe he's using it to control us.
[21:58] <Tigger_> yep
[21:58] <Liffeh> Me and one of the other girls were talking about clothes, and how we'd both gotten new underpants. I mentioned mine had owls on them. He google images owl underpants and linked them in channel, asking if those were the ones I bought.
[21:59] <Tigger_> lol
[21:59] <Tigger_> wow, that is crazy
[21:59] <Tigger_> no wonder you're spooked
[21:59] <Liffeh> Im not spooked, I'd gladly punch the fucker.
[21:59] <Liffeh> I think I'm the one he's intimidated by because I call him out.
[22:00] <Tigger_> so can we see a photo of astor/lamont?  we've been wondering for years what he looks like
[22:01] <@Silas> i don't have any photos personally
[22:01] <@Silas> haven't brought a camera to a meet yet.
[22:01] <Tigger_> ok
[22:02] <Tigger_> does he look normal?
[22:02] <@Silas> yes
[22:02] <Liffeh> If I took a photo of Astor, I don't think I could keep my phone anymore. 
[22:02] <marty> they're all on my other compy that's currently mid-defrag
[22:02] <@Silas> he looks normal - but he has terrible posture
[22:02] <Liffeh> Yeah, he's not a bad looking guy
[22:02] <@Silas> and he talks weirdly and holds himself oddly.
[22:02] <marty> does't know shit about holding a camera
[22:02] <Liffeh> Just get creep vibes off him all the time.
[22:02] <@Silas> like hands up near his chest like claws all the time.
[22:02] <@Silas> LOL@ marty
[22:03] <PrometheanStardust> Terrible posture, though??
[22:03] <@Silas> he takes photos "discretely" by holding the camera above his head and including the back of his head in the picture.
[22:03] <Liffeh> Very.
[22:03] <PrometheanStardust> LOOOL Silas
[22:04] <@Silas> Did you guys notice how he was lying on the grass at the picnic. like he couldn't hold his own spine upright or something.
[22:04] <Liffeh> It's true
[22:04] <Liffeh> I was busy eating cake!
[22:04] <@Silas> That cake was sooo good.
[22:04] <marty> sits cross-legged like a kindergartner
[22:04] <Tigger_> how does he talk weirdly?  like stilted and lost for words?
[22:05] <Liffeh> He mumbles
[22:05] <Liffeh> A lot.
[22:05] <marty> rmmrrm pancakes
[22:05] <PrometheanStardust> Does he mention Pancakes a lot?
[22:05] <Liffeh> Trololol.
[22:05] <Liffeh> A LOT.
[22:05] <@Silas> no 
[22:05] <@Silas> I haven't noticed
[22:05] <PrometheanStardust> He is always trying to get people to go with him to Pancake Parlour.
[22:05] <Liffeh> DUDE. YES.
[22:05] <Liffeh> ALWAYS.
[22:06] <Tigger_> heh
[22:06] <Liffeh> he gets pissy when we don't go.
[22:06] <@Silas> the restaurant he got us to go to the first meet I went to was like $30 per main and we told him we were all poor.
[22:06] <@Silas> So he has no concept of what a lot of money that is for us.
[22:06] <Tigger_> yes, he researched pancake places where I live in QLD, and got the PDFs of the menus for me
[22:06] <Liffeh> He tries to give ME money advice.
[22:06] <@Silas> HAHAHAHA
[22:07] <@Silas> That's so Astor - re pancake menus
[22:07] <@Silas> i hear for one of the meets here he gave everyone a personalised train timetable (yes, he loves trains) showing what train to get to get there and back on time etc etc.
[22:07] <PrometheanStardust> LOL
[22:08] <Tigger_> hahaha
[22:08] <Tigger_> yeah he knows the train timetables off by heart
[22:09] <marty> PrometheanStardust: how long has it been since you saw him?
[22:09] <PrometheanStardust> Apart from speaking to him tonight, I haven't spoken to him in many months
[22:10] <PrometheanStardust> 3-4 months?
[22:10] <Tigger_> we have long had a theory that he has aspergers  (a pretty extreme case since most people on irc seem to be a bit that way inclined), what do you all think?
[22:10] <Liffeh> He's admitted he has it.
[22:11] <Tigger_> oh has he?
[22:11] <Liffeh> To everyone on /soc/ mind you.
[22:11] <Liffeh> Not just us.
[22:11] <Liffeh> Yeah, he starts "why won't girls date me" threads a bit.
[22:12] <Tigger_> I feel sorry for him sometimes, but he keeps doing stuff that kills any sympathy
[22:12] <Tigger_> links to some of these threads?
[22:12] <Liffeh> 404'd man.
[22:13] <Liffeh> I haven't seen one in a while, only cause I haven't been on /soc/ for a while
[22:13] <Tigger_> ah ok
[22:14] <PrometheanStardust> How do you know they're his threads?  He's a tripfag?
[22:14] <marty> its sooooo easy to tell
[22:14] <Liffeh> He posts a photo and we all know the spell
[22:15] <PrometheanStardust> haha
[22:15] <Liffeh> It's the same each time.
[22:15] <Tigger_> so why does he reckon girls don't like him?
[22:15] <marty> for one, he's the only person in the ausfag threads who's like 'feeling like shit tonight"
[22:15] <Tigger_> heh
[22:15] <@Silas> his posts on /soc/ stand out like a sore thumb
[22:16] <@Silas> "i feel like shit - how can i tell the girl i'm in love with that i'm in love with her and how can i make her love me"
[22:16] <@Silas> "why does everygirl I like hate me"
[22:16] <@Silas> blah blah blah
[22:16] <marty> "i feel worse when i leave the /soc/ meets"
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[22:19] <PrometheanStardust> So most of you met through /soc/, did Astor create this chan and invite people to join?
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[22:19] <marty> pretty much
[22:19] <@Silas> everyone out astor knows this chan exists
[22:20] <marty> not everyone
[22:20] <marty> only who you've invited Silas 
[22:20] <@Silas> [10:19pm] astor:
[22:20] <@Silas> theres a chatroom named a57or?
[22:20] <@Silas> [10:19pm] astor:
[22:20] <@Silas> with you and marty?
[22:21] <Liffeh> Wth?
[22:21] <marty> how the fuck?
[22:21] <marty> where'd that get copied from?
[22:21] <@Silas> I dunno - he must have read the channel listing
[22:22] <@Silas> He's messaging me in private
[22:22] <marty> does he have nothing else to do?
[22:22] <PrometheanStardust> Talk about Paranoia, he must have been whois'ing me
[22:22] <PrometheanStardust> Or one of you
[22:22] * Retrieving #a57or modes...
[22:23] <@Silas> yes well
[22:24] <marty> i'm so tired of this shit
[22:24] <marty> all i wanted was some drinking buddies =(
[22:24] <@Silas> i know.
[22:24] <@Silas> As far I i'm concerned he's fucking out.
[22:24] <Tigger_> so how did your group get started?
[22:25] <@Silas> I don't really know the details.
[22:26] <marty> basically, i was home alone for 5 weeks, and was super bored cause all my other friends were away, so i put an invite out on /soc/ for anyone living near me to come round and have some beers with me.. 8 people showed up, one of them being astor
[22:28] <Tigger_> ah
[22:28] <@Silas> Fuck it. he know's we're in here but I don't think he has the balls to come in here.
[22:28] <@Silas> He's trying to tell me that you two are "spam bots"
[22:29] <PrometheanStardust> LOL
[22:29] <Tigger_> heh
[22:31] <@Silas> theres a chatroom named a57or?
[22:31] <@Silas> with you and marty?
[22:31] <@Silas> [10:21pm] Silas:
[22:31] <@Silas> We're having a private chat with liffeh
[22:31] <@Silas> Why?
[22:31] <@Silas> [10:21pm] astor:
[22:31] <@Silas> wat bout?
[22:31] <@Silas> [10:21pm] Silas:
[22:31] <@Silas> Why is it any of your business.
[22:31] <@Silas> [10:21pm] astor:
[22:31] <@Silas> why is it named a57or
[22:31] <@Silas> [10:22pm] astor:
[22:31] <@Silas> why two of them grove trolls from earlier in it?
[22:31] <@Silas> [10:22pm] Silas:
[22:31] <@Silas> We're talking to them.
[22:31] <@Silas> [10:22pm] astor:
[22:31] <@Silas> spambots can talk?
[22:31] <@Silas> [10:23pm] astor:
[22:31] <@Silas> well whatever, this is what some people mean by drama ya know
[22:32] <Tigger_> yes, lamont's flirtation with the Anon group was similarly full of drama
[22:32] <Liffeh> Which anon group.
[22:33] <@Silas> Is this what promethean meant by scientology thing?
[22:33] <Liffeh> It wasn't melbanon, that's for sure, or I would've known him ages ago.
[22:33] <PrometheanStardust> melbraid it was called
[22:33] <Tigger_> yeah
[22:33] <Liffeh> When was this??
[22:33] <Tigger_> they were into harassing scientologists
[22:33] <Tigger_> about 2 years ago
[22:33] <Liffeh> Guys, I know the melbanon guys.
[22:33] <Liffeh> I was part of it for a year 
[22:34] <Liffeh> What was his nick?
[22:34] <Tigger_> he was always wearing a mask though, so you might've met him but not realised it
[22:35] <PrometheanStardust> http://www.flickr.com/photos/23637238@N03/
[22:35] <PrometheanStardust> Here are some of his photos
[22:35] <Liffeh> If I find out his nick, I can suss some stuff out.
[22:35] <PrometheanStardust> I think he was using LamontCranston back then
[22:36] <@Silas> his email is  i think
[22:36] <Liffeh> Hmmm. I might have to talk to so
[22:36] <Liffeh> Me people.
[22:37] <@Silas> what was his behavior like in that group?
[22:38] <PrometheanStardust> People reportedly found him 'weird' and 'awkward'
[22:38] <PrometheanStardust> I'm trying to find that photo that shows him
[22:40] <PrometheanStardust> weird, I think it's been removed
[22:40] <PrometheanStardust> Oh here we are...
[22:40] <PrometheanStardust> Apparently he's the one on the left.. http://www.flickr.com/photos/25134979@N03/2371134096/
[22:40] <PrometheanStardust> http://www.flickr.com/photos/25134979@N03/2370298769/
[22:41] <PrometheanStardust> Does that look like him?
[22:41] <@Silas> the one on the left
[22:41] <@Silas> yes.
[22:41] <@Silas> but not that hair
[22:41] <marty> without a doubt that's him
[22:42] <PrometheanStardust> He's changed his hair?
[22:42] <PrometheanStardust> He does appear to be 'slouching' a bit, I guess that's what you're talking about re posture
[22:44] <Liffeh> He never had long hair.
[22:45] <@Silas> astor:
[22:45] <@Silas> a mystery chatroom called a57or could be called drama, whatevers going on lets just focus on good times and fun meetups? Seeya tomorrow or whenever bed calls me
[22:45] <PrometheanStardust> http://www.flickr.com/photos/25116871@N05/2370286807/
[22:45] <PrometheanStardust> Here he is again, and a comment from him
[22:45] <@Silas> http://pastebin.com/fdL7i1uE
[22:46] <Tigger_> yeah we saw that
[22:46] <@Silas> ah ok
[22:46] <PrometheanStardust> That's how we found here
[22:46] <@Silas> Ahhhh 
[22:46] <@Silas> his quit message
[22:46] <@Silas> Ahhhh
[22:46] <@Silas> It all fits.
[22:47] <PrometheanStardust> Oh wait, maybe this is him on the LEFT - http://www.flickr.com/photos/25116871@N05/2370286807/
[22:47] <PrometheanStardust> Not the guy with long hair
[22:47] <@Silas> hmm
[22:47] <@Silas> he always has a backpack
[22:47] <PrometheanStardust> Must be one of them, anyway
[22:47] <@Silas> meh
[22:47] <@Silas> anyway. 
[22:47] <Tigger_> yeah, with the womanly figure
[22:49] <@Silas> Anyway - so in your experience what kinds of anti-social type stuff will we start to see?
[22:49] <@Silas> You mentioned that when he was given OP, he banned everyone -
[22:49] <Tigger_> yeah, or tried to
[22:50] <@Silas> are we likely to start seeing him banning people from the room?
[22:50] <@Silas> such as me, marty or liff?
[22:50] <PrometheanStardust> Now that he's convinced there's a conspiracy out to get him, he'll probably become more accusatory, and might even insist that some of you need to "go" in the interests of the group
[22:51] <Tigger_> it's possible
[22:51] <Tigger_> our way of dealing with him is just not to give him any power at all
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[22:51] <@Silas> Well to be honest, there probably is now a conspiracy out to get him - but its of his own creation
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[22:52] <@Silas> we wouldn't feel this way if he didn't manufacture this shit.
[22:52] <Tigger_> it always is, Silas 
[22:52] <Tigger_> he wills the conspiracies into existence, first by putting the idea into your head
[22:52] <@Silas> how would you guys like to meet him?
[22:53] <@Silas> (I'm assume you guys are in fact residents of the fine city of melbourne?)
[22:53] <Tigger_> I'm from QLD
[22:53] <PrometheanStardust> I've tried meeting up with him before, he deliberately ran off (and possibly took photos of me from afar)
[22:53] <PrometheanStardust> That's how paranoid he is
[22:54] <Liffeh> Come to a meet up dude.
[22:54] <PrometheanStardust> I spent an hour waiting for him, when we would out later he'd left within seconds of my train arriving at the station.
[22:54] <PrometheanStardust> Liffeh, are they open to anyone?
[22:54] <marty> pretty much
[22:54] <Liffeh> Sure are dude
[22:54] <@Silas> Come to a meetup a bit later - after he's already there.
[22:54] <@Silas> I think you have to be an "invited" guest now, but yeah - we're all really chill.
[22:55] <@Silas> The only drama is tip toeing around astor and his dramas.
[22:55] <PrometheanStardust> lol
[22:55] <PrometheanStardust> Ok, so where do the meetups get announced?
[22:55] <Liffeh> He won't ban/get angry/start shit with me, only because I've told him how I feel about him.
[22:56] <Liffeh> He's intimidated by me.
[22:56] <@Silas> He's intimidated by all of us liff.
[22:56] <@Silas> We have social skills, he doesn't.
[22:56] <Liffeh> That's so true.
[22:56] <@Silas> He's fucking shit scared of us all, but he'll use that fear to control us, divide and conquer.
[22:57] <Liffeh> Basically, if you state your opinion on him, he gets scared.
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[22:59] <Liffeh[phone]> Much better.
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[23:02] <PrometheanStardust> 'Marzipan Astor' has removed himself from the Melbourne /soc/ Facebook group
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[23:03] <Tigger_> the timeless cycle of lamont trying to socialise has come full circle then
[23:03] <PrometheanStardust> lol
[23:04] <marty> i... i have an idea.
[23:05] <marty> we could totally just take him into an alley and shoot him
[23:05] <PrometheanStardust> Out to an old quarry, like Josef K
[23:05] <PrometheanStardust> Never explain to him why
[23:05] <Tigger_> heh
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[23:06] <Tigger_> that's an idea, we shall hold a trial for lamont, but never state what the charges are
[23:06] <PrometheanStardust> lol
[23:06] <PrometheanStardust> So people have actually tried striking up conversations with dear old Lamont?
[23:06] <Silas> What did I miss, colloquy dropped out?
[23:07] <PrometheanStardust> Nothing, really
[23:07] <PrometheanStardust> [23:00] * @Silas (~silas_pc@Rizon-5DB70AA8.static.internode.on.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
[23:07] <PrometheanStardust> [23:02] <PrometheanStardust> 'Marzipan Astor' has removed himself from the Melbourne /soc/ Facebook group
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[23:07] <PrometheanStardust> [23:03] <Tigger_> the timeless cycle of lamont trying to socialise has come full circle then
[23:07] <PrometheanStardust> [23:03] <PrometheanStardust> lol
[23:07] <PrometheanStardust> [23:04] <marty> i... i have an idea.
[23:07] <PrometheanStardust> [23:05] <marty> we could totally just take him into an alley and shoot him
[23:07] <PrometheanStardust> [23:05] <PrometheanStardust> Out to an old quarry, like Josef K
[23:07] <PrometheanStardust> [23:05] <PrometheanStardust> Never explain to him why
[23:07] <PrometheanStardust> [23:05] <Tigger_> heh
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[23:07] <Silas> Thanks.
[23:07] <Silas> I just have a feeling that having a log of these chats would be a good idea
[23:08] <Silas> not that we're going to kill him or anything
[23:08] <marty> aww poop
[23:08] <Silas> :P
[23:08] <Silas> If he's going to die - its going to be an hero.
[23:08] <PrometheanStardust> You should demand unrestricted access to his Camera SD card
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[23:09] <Tigger_> I quite like lamont, he has some good points, buried under all the aspergery nuttiness
[23:09] <marty> liffys phone just ran out of steam
[23:09] <Silas> ahhh too bad
[23:09] <Silas> oh well - we can still talk through you i guess
[23:09] <PrometheanStardust> Yes, it's just that it takes a lifetime of epic struggle and pain to get through to the good bits.
[23:10] <marty> so she'll have to talk through me
[23:11] <PrometheanStardust> Oh well, I might go to bed, night all.
[23:11] <Tigger_> night PrometheanStardust 
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